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23 August 2008 @ 11:52 pm
Henna, dryness, and itching, burning scalp  
Ok, (hello!) it's been years since i last used henna on my hair.
i used to use the old boxed dye mixes i could get from the health-food store..the kind with the sea-shell on the front of the box, i think. (do they even still make it?) i only used boiling water and time to get dye release.
i got beautiful results, even if it was a touch on the brassy side, and people were always complimenting me on my hair. It was always soft and conditioned, and i loved the way it felt.
Until, i started noticing that my hair was getting flatter and more oily-looking with each application. The color got duller and i got more and more dissatisfied. Somewhere between a year and two years into henna-ing, i gave up, and went to conventional dyes.
i hated that too.

For several years, i went without dying at all, (my hair is naturally medium brown with some occasional red highlights) or only dying conventionally once in a great while.

Now i'm coming back to henna, after getting better information on it than i had last time.
My hair is waist length, and it's very fine and thin, and it's been it's natural color of brownish for a long time..i think only the lower half to 1/3 of my hair has any old conventional dye in it at all.
i got henna from yemen at mehandi.com, and followed the suggestions from there to mix my henna and apply it.
i added a little ginger, some tumeric, some paprika, cardamom powder, a cup of apple-cinnamon-chamomile tea, a little bit of olive oil, a few splashes of lemon juice, and a LOT of grapefruit juice.
i let it sit over night, and applied it the next day. (a couple days ago) i wrapped my hair in plastic wrap and a towel and left the henna on for 5 or 6 hours.

When i washed out the henna, (i use a natural shampoo bar and an ACV rinse) i had BEAUTIFUL, deep burgundy-red hair, and it felt as dry as STRAW to the touch, and my scalp felt like it was on FIRE.
i've already gotten a little help on this subject, but i wanted to ask about it here too.

Have any of you ever had something like this happen? What do you think may have caused it? What do you think will be a better way to get good color next time, but not have the dry hair and itchy, burning scalp?
It's been suggested to me that i try using apple juice next time to get dye-release, instead of the citrus juices, and i'm thinking i may try that. Are there any other suggestions?

i'm currently conditioning by leaving coconut oil in my hair overnight to see if that will help the dryness..but all advice would be welcome!

Thank you! :)
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weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:30 pm (UTC)
THank you! i'm thinking of putting up pics after the henna settles into the color it's going to be. :)
She was given to fits of semi-precious metaphorsmaiden_midwife on August 24th, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
I think the grapefruit juice might have been your culprit. I've used everything you named on your ingredients list except for that and I have never had problems with hair dryness or my scalp burning- and I have a really sensitive scalp as it is.
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Oh cool, thank you! i was thinking it might be the grapefruit juice and the ginger both, it's good to have confirmation from another person with sensitive skin!
your friendly neighborhood supercarrot: radioactivecakesupercarrot on August 24th, 2008 11:29 am (UTC)
i use hibiscus tea. but even before i used the tea, i would only use water and time to release the oils, and it was fine.

(but i do get an itchy scalp after my application, but that's because i no 'poo and don't get all the residue out. i'll let my hair dry and then i'll put some coconut oil on my fingertips and rub it into my scalp to stave off dryness/itchiness.) next time i'm considering adding a bunch of oil directly to my henna mixture. hopefully it'll discourage the henna from absorbing my oils so much. i did add 1 tsp/100 gm of it this last time, but i don't think that was enough.
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, i'm noticing a little residue, so i'll keep washing and see if that helps. :)
vrimj: Mevrimj on August 24th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
Have you used the other ingredients on your skin? Ginger always makes me feel a sort of burning sensation and some people can be allergic to chamomile.

I use straight lemon juice only without problems, but I have also successfully dyed with just plain yogurt as a base because it made rinsing easier without shampoo. That is what I would probably suggest since it is soothing.

You can use just water, the dye just adheres poorly to your hair without an acid.
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)
i can drink chamomile, so i think i'm OK there, but i never have used ginger on my skin, and i'm wondering if that's part of the burning problem. How did you do the yogurt mix? Can i try yogurt with a little lemon juice...or a little apple juice? What about smell?
Thank you!
vrimj: Mevrimj on August 25th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
I just use plain cheap yogurt, it was acidic enough to get good dye release without adding. It smelled like henna but I have never tried to mask the smell, I couldn't really smell the yourgurt.

I do use a vinegar rinse after to stop my hair from smelling like henna, that seems to work well.
eye of newtkrasota on August 24th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
It's the grapefruit juice (and maybe the paprika--for the fire).

I use a mix of boiling water and a bit of lemon juice and wine for my liquid. All acid = angry skin and hair. I find that the juice of one lemon and a splash of red wine is enough for dye release. I mix the henna to the consistency I like using boiling water.

When I rinse henna out, I comb lots of conditioner through my hair as I'm rinsing. It helps get the henna out and makes sure the shaft isn't too stripped.
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, i think the acid is too much for me...but i've been told that boiling water is a no-no...what do you think? How does it do on your hair?
eye of newt: redkrasota on August 24th, 2008 11:56 pm (UTC)
I've always read that boiling water is the way to go--heat and acid help release the dye. I let it sit until the dye released, which is sometimes 20min, sometimes overnight. If 20min, I let it sit until cool enough to use. If it's sat overnight, the consistency is usually thicker, so I add enough boiling water to make it a bit more liquid.

Old pics:

I don't have any good recent shots--I'm too busy running after kiddo to comb my hair. And I take pictures of him, instead. ;) When it's not been maltreated, it looks like my userpic. Currently, I have some raggedy ends because I braid it nightly (while wet) and tie it off.

(Anonymous) on August 25th, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
Thank you! i like your hair color, and that way it looks makes me feel a little better about the boiling water issue. :) i'm really confused on that score, and glad to have some people showing me that it works well for them. You little one is so cute! (and i love those striped stockings too!) :)
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 26th, 2008 12:14 am (UTC)
Sorry, that was me!
dulcedelecherdulcedelecher on August 24th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Both ginger and citrus juices are my mortal foes. Ginger burnt the hell out of my skin in a facial mask I once used, and the acid in the juices (and vinegar when I tried it) left my hennaed hair fried for a week each time I used them. I used a splash of pomegrante juice and a butt-load of chamomile tea last time and had better results.
weepingmoonblueweepingmoonblue on August 24th, 2008 11:36 pm (UTC)
i'm wondering about chamomile tea myself..just straight, with no cinnamon. Should i use it hot, or let it cool a bit before adding it, so it won't mess up the dye-release?
dulcedelecherdulcedelecher on August 24th, 2008 11:41 pm (UTC)
Plain chamomile tea is commonly used to bring about dye-release. It can be used warm, but not boiling hot. DO NOT ever apply cinnamon topically- its volatile oil has a track record of burning people even worse than ginger, and it will not add anything to the color of your dye-release.
akurahakurah on August 25th, 2008 03:22 am (UTC)
Cinnamon contains peroxide, so unless you're looking to lighten your hair, I wouldn't use it.
serabelleserabelle on August 25th, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
For me, the only thing that helps get rid of the straw texture is to condition afterwards. I never use conditioner normally, but I find it to be a necessity after henna. I also only use about 2 tbsp of lemon juice, and the rest tepid water. Straight lemon juice fried my hair!

So, if you're not *too* against using conditioner next time, I'd suggest something by Sauve, I hear they're a no-cone conditioner.
(Anonymous) on October 3rd, 2008 03:09 am (UTC)
turmeric is used to get rid of hair. Never apply it on your scalp.
(Anonymous) on May 24th, 2010 10:45 am (UTC)
My experience with henna
Hi girls!!
I dont know abut the ingredients that you are talking abt .But i felt that my henna mixture may help you in anyway...

here is the pack:

henna powder,1 or 2 teaspoons of curd,half piece of lemon juice, tea decaution(keep some tea powder and water on stove, and after that filter and get the decaution, let it get cold,dont use hot tea decaution ,i used indian tea powders),then 2 spoons of fenugreek powder(it is called methi or menthi powder in india),and one egg-use only white yolk from egg.

mix everything except egg(u can mix the egg white before your application bcoz it smells odd)and leave the entire mixture over a night,(if you are using henna for color agent, leave the mixture for 2-3 days)

and aftr application, wash your hair only with lots of fresh water, and use towel dry, and the next day, use shampoo and conditioner for hair..

My hair used to be thin,black,shiny,healthy hair, it is kind of normal to dry type of hair,..

I used to apply this mixture for an year or so.,Now my hair is in good condition, it added up volume, and it really really improved my hair growth, and i still have shiny hair and I dont have any dry ness issues..

Fenugreek or methi powder is one of the best for helping out of dry scalp.

Henna advantages: The burgendy color, healthy hair, controls dandruff, improves hair growth, reduces heat, ...everything but except the dryness..
So use fenugreek powder :)

Hope this helps you a lot , leave me a comment if you hav any questions..